Tuesday, 14 February 2012


So, going back to our Sharanagati, Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu came to teach us the
process of sharanagati, do you remember the first line, or first four lines of the song that
we sang, the first day? How many of you remember that? [devotees reply] Ok, what
about others? Ok, let’s recite. Shri krishna chaitanya prabhu [devotees repeat]. No, I
meant that I’ll say it and you repeat, everybody. Shri Krishna Chaitanya prabhu [devotees
repeat] jive doya kori [devotees repeat] sva-parshad [devotees repeat] sviya dham
[devotees repeat] saba avatari [devotees repeat] atyanta durlabha prem [devotees repeat]
koribare dan [devotees repeat] sikhaya sharanagati [devotees repeat] bhakatera pran
[devotees repeat]. So you memorised it? Ok, how many of you didn’t memorise it as yet?
Please raise your hands, don’t feel shy. Those who did not memorise? So everyone
memorised it? Otherwise, I’m going to ask you [devotees laugh]. Ok, once again I want
to see the hands, those who have memorised it, raise your hands. Ok, so how many of
you did not raise your hands? Raise your hands [devotees laugh]. And still I see that
some… [laughs] Ok, anyway let’s try it again. Try to memorise it, huh? Shri krishna
chaitanya prabhu jive doya kori [devotees repeat]. Please say it three times [devotees
chant]. Sva-parshad sviya dham saba avatari [devotees repeat] atyanta durlabha prem
koribare dan [devotees repeat] sikhaya sharanagati bhakatera pran [devotees repeat].
Ok, so you got it? Everyone? Ok, ok so this is how we should remember, we should
memorise. Repeat it three times, you almost memorise. Then all it needs is a little
practice. Ok, so today we are going to sing a
song that is describing, what is the second aspect of sharanagati? First one is dainya, that
we discussed yesterday, and the second one is? [devotees reply] Very good. Atmanivedan. So, this one, this song is describing atma-nivedan. Atma means self, and
nivedan means? Nivedan? [devotees reply] Huh? Nivedan means? Offer. So offering of
one’s self. Offering our selves. So to surrender means to surrender ourselves; surrender
means to offer our selves. So this is actually the essence of sharanagati, atma-nivedan.
And dainya is the prerequisite for atma-nivedan. We become dina, huh, in order to
surrender to Krishna. Dina hina jata chila, hariname uddharila: those who consider
themselves to be lowly and fallen, they all became delivered by chanting the holy name,
hariname uddharila. Ta’ra sakshi jagai madhai, Jagai and Madhai were were very fallen,
very sinful, very fallen and by the mercy of Nityananda Prabhu and Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu, they became very, very humble; they were very fallen, very sinful, they
used to kill people, they used to beat people up to death, they used to rob people; there is
no sinful activities they did not do, they were always drunk, always drunk. And in a
drunken state they were committing all kinds of sinful activities, but when they received
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s mercy, they became very humble. So this is the, this is the
example of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, what happens by receiving Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s
mercy. It doesn’t matter how fallen we may be, it doesn’t matter how sinful we may be,
but Chaitan…if we surrender to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, He will deliver us, it doesn’t
matter how fallen we are. Papi tapi yata chilo, hari name uddharilo. Papi that we… all
the, this is actually the context of Jagai and Madhai, and, um, Lochan das Thakur is
saying that, uh, mo sama patita prabhu na paibe: you’ll never find anyone as fallen as I
am. So devotee, huh, naturally develops this attitude of being fallen, this is the
qualification of becoming, become…becoming eligible to receive Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu’s mercy.
So, Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is extremely merciful and we simply have to surrender to
Him. And if we surrender then it doesn’t matter who we are, it doesn’t matter how fallen
we are, only thing is that we have to recognize our fallen condition and become humble.
In the age of Kali, what is happening? No one is humble; everyone is very puffed up,
very arrogant. They’re fallen, degraded, lowly, huh, don’t have any qualification, but they
are so arrogant, so puffed up. And democracy is actually promoting that mentality. In the
democratic society, huh, people do not, they cannot, they do not get any education, they
do not get any guidance to become humble. Everyone in this world is becoming
extremely puffed up. And, they have rejected God. Like in India, in the name of
secularism, what they are doing? They are saying you can’t cultivate any, you can’t,
government cannot promote any religion. The other day some government officials came
to see me and they were, they themselves were telling that it’s so weird, it’s so crazy, that
the Indian Government doesn’t allow anybody to side, any government official to side
with any religion. So that means they are not, they are saying : no religion. Government
is saying : no religion. In that way the
Muslim countries are better off. They say, yes, Islam is the religion, you have to follow.
Some religion you have to follow. That disciplines you, that makes you accept the
Supr eme Personality of Godhead. It doesn’t matter by which Name you call Him, by
which Name you address Him, it is the Same, God is one. Whether you call Him Allah,
whether you call Him Jehovah, whether you call Him Krishna, whether you call Him
God, it is the same. It is the same Personality. People may not understand that but those
who know God they will understand that they are also addressing the same Person, the
Supreme. Who is the Supreme, if somebody is worshiping the Supreme, he may not
address Him as Krishna, but he is indirectly addressing Him, because Who is the
Supreme ? Krishna is the Supreme.   We know that, they may
not know that. But at least they are addressing that, five times a day, they are offering
their prayers to that Supreme.     This is how they are actually developing a humble
attitude towards Him. It does not matter what they do to others. That is an other
problem. Of course, that’s another problem. Ok, let’s not.. But at least there is some
good to it. But the democratic government says, no religion. Specially in the country of
India. It’s no so bad in America, it’s not so bad in the European countries, they are
promoting the freedom of religion. You can, whatever is your religion, you can practise
it. But what is happening, in the land of religion, in the land of dharma, you can’t
practise dharma. That is what the government is actually saying. they promote no
religion. You cannot practise dharma. Anyway, they may promote that. This is the
situation of dharmasya glanih. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata This is
dharmasya glanih. In one hand yato math tato path and Ishvara nirakhara, God is
without any form, nirvisesa. And nobody should practice religion. At least government is
not going to support any religion. So in the name of secularism what is actually they are
doing? They are promoting atheism. Government will not support any
religion that means government is not going to support the Supreme Personality of
Godhead’s culture. And that’s why we have to preach so effectively in this country. We
have to be very, very effective in our
preaching. The government may say that. But who is this government? This government
has been elected by the people. And why the government is saying that? Just to get the
vote. Just to get the vote of the
minority. This government is good. They are not promoting any… It’s a predominantly
this is a Hindu country. And when the government says you can’t promote religion that
means the government is suppressing the Hindus and promoting the non-Hindus.
Actually everything in this government is so obvious what they are trying to do. Just in
order to get the…. Democracy means vote and in order to get the vote they’ll do
anything. And we have to undo that. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s movement… if this is
dharmasya glanir then why does the Supreme Personality of Godhead come ? Dharma
(Ringing of bells) Jaya Sri Sri Radha MadanMohan ki Jaya! Jaya Sri Sri Krishna
Balarama ki Jaya! Jaya Sri Sri Gaura Nitai ki Jaya!
So Caitanya Mahaprabhu has come. When does the Supreme Personality of Godhead
come? As we just discussed, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata abhyuthanam
adharmasya tadatmanam srijamy aham. When there is adharmasya glanir the Supreme
Personality of Godhead comes. And by coming here what does He do? Paritrayana
sadhunam vinasaya ca duskritam. In this situation the sadhus are persecuted. The demons
are promoted, sadhus are persecuted. Like when Kamsa was here, what was happening?
The demons were flourishing. If you’re a demon Kamsa will patronise you. ‘Oh, you’re a
demon, come with me. I’ll give you land, I’ll give you money, I’ll give you everything.
Oh, you’re a sadhu? Kill him.’ That is the situation when there is adharmasya glanir.
Same with Ravana. All these demons, that’s what they do. In other ages the demons were
very prominent. But in Kali yuga they are miniature demons and this is how the miniature
demons get together and they create their demoniac government. Government means the
leader who is ruling the country. These are the demons. So this is the state of affairs in
the age of Kali. But what to do? In order to rectify the situation Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
has come. And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is saying, ‘Doesn’t matter how fallen you are.
The age of Kali is a fallen age. So in this age if you are fallen there is no surprise. This is
the age of sin. So in this age if you have been sinful, doesn’t matter. Come to Me and I’ll
take care of all your sinful reactions.’ Just like Jagai and Madhai. Nityananda Prabhu
bestowed His mercy and Caitanya Mahaprabhu took all their sins. ‘Okay? Nityananda
Prabhu has
accepted you, fine I will deliver you.’
dina hena patita pamara nahi bache bache dur labha
prem sabakare brahmara durlabha prem sabakare jace
So this is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission. And similarly, as Mahaprabhu’s
representatives, devotees of Caitanya Mahaprabhu are actually Mahaprabhu’s
representatives and they’re simply trying to promote Mahaprabhu’s mission in the same
mood as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. We don’t shy away from people, those who are
fallen. If they come to Krishna consciousness we are prepared to accept, whoever you
may be. Whoever one is, we’ll accept you. But only thing is that you have to surrender.
And in order to surrender you have to become humble. And now Caitanya Mahaprabhu is
teaching how to become humble.
Bhaktivinoda Thakur is displaying that mood of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Caitanya
Mahaprabhu’s instruction. What is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s instruction of surrendering?
Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s example of surrender is trinad api sunicena taror iva sahisnuna
amanina manadena kirtaniya sada hari. That is the way to surrender. Trinad api sunicena
Consider yourself to be very, very lowly. Even more fallen than a blade of grass, more
insignificant than a blade of grass and more as tolerant than the tree. Desiring no respect
for ourselves and we prepare to offer all respects to others. amanina manadena. And then
only kirtaniyah sada harih, and then we will be able to chant the holy name. The
surrender has been demonstrated in this way by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura.
(1)Manasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mor arpilun tuwa pade, nanda-kishor!
Manasa means mind, dehah means body, gehah means house. Manasa, mind, body, home
which means family, jo kichu mor, whatever I have, I am surrendering to You, o son of
Nanda Maharaja. Arpilun I’m offering to You and surrendering to You, jo kichu mor
arpilun tuwa pade, nanda-kishor. Surrendered to Your feet, o youthful son of Nanda
(2)Sampade vipade, jivane-marane day mama gela, tuwa o-pada varane.
Sampade, in good fortune. Vipade means in misfortune or danger. Whether there is a
favourable situation or dangerous situation – sampade vipade. Jivane-marane, in life or in
death. day mama gela, tuwa o-pada varane all my difficulties have disappeared by
choosing those feet of Yours as my only shelter. Sampade vipade, jivane-marane day
mama gela, tuwa o-pada varane.
(3) marobi rakhobi jo iccha tohara nitya-dasa prati tuwa adhikara.www.bcswami.com
Marobi, slay me or protect me as You wish, but You are the master of Your eternal
servant. Since I am your eternal servant, you have complete right over me. If You want to
kick me or if You want to kill me – it is entirely up to You.
(4) Janmaobi moe iccha jadi tor bhakata-grhe jani janma hau mor. If it is Your will that I
will be born again, then may it be in the home of Your devotee. bhakata-grhe jani, let me
reborn in the house of a devotee. A devotee is not aversed to being born again. It is not
that the devotee say, Krishna, I want liberation. Devotee doesn’t want liberation.
Devotees simply want to serve. Service here or service there doesn’t
matter. Whether I am here in this material nature or whether I am in the spiritual nature –
let me always serve You. That is the mood of a devotee. Now the question is how should
that service attitude be?
Service under the guidance of devotees. That is the important consideration. Wherever I
am, let me serve.
(5) Kita-janma hau jatha tuwa das,
let me be born in the association of Your devotees. Even as an insect. Let me be born in
the association of Your devotees. Because if I am in the association of devotees I am safe.
May I be born again even as a worm. Kita-janma hau jatha tuwa das bahir-mukha
brahma-janme nahi as. So long as I remain as Your devotee, I have no desire to be born
as Brahma, averse to You. That is the mood of a devotee. Let me be always in the
association of Your devotees.
(6) Bhukti-mukti-sprha vihina je bhakta labhaite tanko sanga anurakta.
I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of all desire of worldly
enjoyment or liberation. Bhukti means enjoyment and mukti means liberation. So in this
material nature everyone is
either trying to enjoy or wanting to become liberated from the material bondage. Most of
the people are simply interested in enjoying. But some rare soul wants to become
liberated understanding the suffering condition of this material nature. But a devotee is
not interested either in enjoyment of this material nature or in liberation from material
bondage. A pure devotee is jnana karmad anavrtam (Brs 1.1.11) He is free from the
desire of jnana and karma. Jnana leads to liberation and karma leads to fruitive activities
or enjoyment. . I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of all
desire for worldly enjoyment and liberation. That means, I yearn for the association of a
pure devotee.
(7) janaka, janani, dayita, tanay prabhu, guru, pati-tuhu sarva-moy.
Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor, and husband-You are everything to me.
Krishna is everything to His devotee. For a devotee Krishna is his father, Krishna is his
mother, He is his lover, He is his son, He is his master and He is his preceptor and –
prabhu guru -for a woman He is the husband. Prabhu, guru, pati-tuhu sarva-moy – you
are everything to me. That is how a devotee fells about Krishna.
(8) bhakativinoda kahe, suno kana radha-natha! Tuhun hamara parana.
Bhaktivinode Thakura is saying, ‘O Radhanatha, the Lord of Srimati Radharani, You are
my life and soul.’
[Now Guru Maharaja starts singing the song.]
(1)mânasa deho, geho, jo kichu mor
arpilun tuwâ pade, nanda-kis’or!
(2) sampade vipade, jîvane-marane
dây mama gelâ, tuwâ o-pada varane
(3) mârobi râkhobi – jo icchâ tohâra
nitya-dâsa prati tuwâ adhikâra
(4)janmâobi moe icchâ jadi tor
bhakta-grihe jani janma hau mor
(5) kîtha janma hau jathâ tuwâ dâs
bahir-mukha brahmâ-janme nâhi âs’
(6) bhukti-mukti-sprihâ vihîna je bhakta
labhaite tânko sanga anurakta
(7)janaka, jananî, dayita, tanay
                         prabhu, guru, pati – tuhû sarva-moy
(8) bhakativinoda kohe, suno kâna!
râdhâ-nâtha! tuhun hâmâra parâna
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Nitai Gaura Haribol, Haribol, Haribol.
Hare Krishna , so, once again I’ll read the translation. Mind, body, and family, whatever
may be mine, including bank account (laughter) arpilu tuwa pade, nanda-kishor. I have
surrendered at Your lotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda Maharaja. Or I will surrender at
Your lotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda Maharaja. In good fortune or in bad, in life or
at death, all my difficulties have disappeared by choosing those feet of Yours as my only
shelter. Slay me or protect me as You wish, for You are the master of Your eternal
servant.   If it is Your will that I be born again, then may it be in the home of Your
devotee. May I be born again even as a worm, so long as I may remain Your devotee. I
have no desire to be borne as a Brahma averse to You. I yearn for the company of that
devotee who is completely devoid of all desire of worldly enjoyment or liberation.
Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor and husband; You are everything to me.
Thakura Bhaktivinoda says, “O Kana, please hear me! O Lord of Radha, You are my life
and soul!”
Radhanatha tuhu hamara parana. So that is our prayer. Radhanath, the Lord of Srimati
Radharani, You are my life and soul. Krishna consciousness means to develop that
attitude, to develop that consciousness. Radhanath Krishna is my everything.
Hare Krsna.
Does anybody have any question?
HH Bhakti Caru Maharaja: Yes?
Prabhu: Guru Maharaja the song is very———-says that mother father and lover,
husband you are everything to me. So having Krishna as husband, friend. Prema that we
can attain taht. Now if we are still attached So if someone is attached to, you know, his
mother, father, brother, his relatives and is hesitating to fully surrender. So how can we
give up the attachment? ———
HH Bhakti Caru Maharaj: Well, by developing that specific relationship with Krishna. So
if I am attached to my father, then let me see that Krishna is my actual Father. I am
related to my father because he is my father. Because I came from him, I have a link with
him I have a connection with him. But originally where did I come from? Krishna. So
who is the original father? So in this way, the relationship that we appreciate, the
relationship that we have a taste for, through that relationship we link our connection
with Krishna. If someone is very attached to the child, the mother is attached to the
child, the mother knows what the love for the child is like and she learns to offer that
love to Krishna, recognizing that Krishna is her actual child. You see, in order to develop
loving relationship we have to experience that love. A person who does not know what
love is, how can he love Krishna? So we develop our loving relationships and through
those relationships we find our relationship with Krishna. Wherever our attachment is,
we shift that attachment to Krishna.
[Question unclear] In the material world there are so much obstacles and sometimes
BCS : In the spiritual also world there is competition. The cowherd boys run who can
touch Krishna first. But those competitions are centered around Krishna. Those
competitions do not create conflict. You remain neutral, you remain above all that.
Actually, what you are saying you are trying to do something and somebody else is trying
to do better than you and as a result of that you feel upset. Right,that is what you are
saying (laughter) So, good, that you can recognize that you have so much false ego, is it
good to have false ego, you want to harbor it? Then, get rid of your false ego.
[Question unclear]
Yes, there is nothing wrong in that. At the initial stage, Prabhupada said, we want
liberation, we want to get out of this material nature, at an initial stage. But at an www.bcswami.com
advanced stage we see there is no difference between the material and the spiritual
nature. At an initial stage we see the difference between the material and spiritual nature,
therefore we want to get out of the material nature and go to the spiritual nature. But at an
advanced stage one sees wherever there is service to Krishna, that is spiritual. This
material nature is also spiritual. Like for example a person who is in charge of the prison,
who is working for the prison on behalf of the king. Although he is in the prison, is it a
prison to him? It is his field of action.   His field of activity, his field of service. So at an
advanced stage, to a devotee there is no difference between material and spiritual because
for him everything is spiritual.
[Question unclear] : how tolerance is the key to spiritual life [unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami Yeah, you see, like when we are in the material nature,
sometimes we have to make adjustments. We can’t rectify the situation; the society is in
a certain way. So, we have to tolerate that, we have to accept that. For example, the
residents of Vrindavana, because Kamsa was their king, they are paying him tax.
Although Kamsa was a demon and he was averse to Krishna, they were making the
compromise. So, when we are in a society, we have to sometimes make adjustments in
the society which may not be palatable, which may not be desirable, but still we have to.
Like for example when somebody is working, in an office or in a factory. The
atmosphere of the office is not so conducive, there are so many things which are
happening there. But you know, because one has to earn money, one has to make
adjustments in that situation. He cannot go to the boss and tell him. Why they are
gossiping, why they are eating meat, why they are smoking, why they are drinking?
Then the boss will say, ok, if you don’t like it, then you find a suitable situation for
your self. If you don’t like it here, you can go. Isn’t it? But yes, we like to go away from
that situation, but sometimes we cannot. Specially, when one is in the household life, in
this kind of situation, we have to make some adjustments. And ultimately, detrimental
situations will increase our attachment to Krishna, if we are truly sincere about our
devotion, about our relationship with Krishna, then this detrimental situation will increase
our attachment to Krishna.
[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : We may not be on that level, but at least through this we are
learning which is the level which we want to achieve. This is the goal, we may not have
reached that goal. The goal is there, we know, that is the goal. And let us aspire to
achieve that goal. Even if you imitate, that’s good, but do it sincerely. All right?
Sincerely means, don’t imitate in order to get some cheap admiration, not for name and
fame. But for getting Krishna’s mercy. Ultimately there are two ways, the spiritual
nature and the material nature. Is it for my self interest or for Krishna’s pleasure?
Ultimately these are the two considerations that we have open to us. And we have to
consider, is it for my selfish interest that I am doing it? Is it for my self aggrandizement
that I am doing it or is it for pleasing Krishna, or is it for Krishna’s pleasure? So, that
should be the consideration. And out of this two which one should be the desirable goal
,which one should be our consideration? Krishna’s pleasure, right? And then you can see
whether you or pretending or you are real. If it is for Krishna then it is real, if it is for
you then you are pretending, right ?
[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Well, while answering the devotee’s question, I made that
point. That, there are two stages; one is the neophyte stage and the advanced stage. At
the neophyte stage, at the initial stage desire for liberation is good. But at an advanced
stage one automatically becomes free from the desire for liberation. Just like, when you
see, that this material nature is full of misery, is full of suffering, then it is natural that
you will feel, well, let me get out of here. That tendency is natural. I do not want to be
here, this place is too bad, this place is terrible. But then when you render devotional
service and then you see that there is so much service that you can render here, by that
time you do not really care for whether you like it or not, you are simply concerned for
Krishna’s pleasure, then you see there is so much service, why should I go anywhere else
. That is how you transcend that platform of desiring for liberation. Let’s put it this way
: When we are in the material platform, when we are trying to enjoy karma, then when
you achieve a more advanced stage, jnana.. Karma is, karma-kandha section is enjoyment
in the material nature but jnana leads us the way, shows us the way to get out of the
material nature. So, it is natural. First you are trying to enjoy and you are
suffering. Then you think I don’t want to suffer, so you want to get out of here. The
desire for getting out of here is desire for liberation. But then you see, you come to the
platform of bhakti. And then you see, well, this is such a nice place to render service.
The whole world has become so demoniac, so there is so much to do in this world. Then
what you want to do? You want to run away from here when there
is so much service? Or you want to be here to execute the service. That is how it is
[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Okey, now, let us consider what is bhakti, what is the meaning
of bhakti ? No, what is the meaning of the word bhakti ? Okay, Loving Krishna, very
good. The bottom-line is : love Krishna. So you have to love Krishna. In order to learn
how to love Krishna, you have to see those who love Krishna. You have to be in the
association of those who love Krishna. And then you develop your love for Krishna.
The first consideration is to learn, to know that you need to love Krishna, you have to
cultivate, you have to learn how to love Krishna. Now you practice to learn. And where
do you practice? Like if you want to cook, you do not know how to cook. If you want to
learn to cook, what will you do? [Answer unclear] Very good, you go to some expert
cooks, right? And there you learn. Similarly, we have to be in the association of
devotees who have developed their love for Krishna and under their guidance we learn
how to love Krishna. And initially it is a matter of practice. By practicing you become
perfect. First you practice then you become perfect. That’s why bhakti has two stages.
One is sadhana bhakti, practising stage, and the other is prema bhakti, perfected stage.
You practice and then you become perfect. You practice how to cook and then one fine
morning you find that you have become an expert cook. And then when you have
become an expert cook then you won’t have to do anything separately. Those who will
taste your food, they will say, Waw, what a good cook you are. Thank you. Hare
Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yeah, okey. Question : Guru Maharaja, once I heard that love actually is hampered when
it is expressed. Like we say: “I love you”, that is hampering love. I have love for you…
[rest unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : It’s not saying your love for me. But what you are saying is
that due to my love for you, you have become my life and soul, you are my life and soul.
How does He become one’s life and
soul? Because of the love. And I don’t know who said that when you express your love,
your love becomes minimized. Like just consider a young boy is in love with a young
girl. Now, if that boy does not tell that girl that he loves her, how will she know?
Similarly we have to express our love to Krishna. We have to tell Krishna I love you.
After all what is the Hare Krishna mantra ? Krishna I love You, Krishna I love You,
Krishna I love You… (Laughter of the devotees)
Yes, Shankara ?
[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Saranagati, yeah, you see, devotion actually begins with dasya.
Jivera svarupa hoy, Krishna nitya dasa. At first we are the servants. We are servants.
Servants are servants. Some day, the master can say that I am so pleased with your
service that I want you to become my friend. The servant cannot tell the master, I want to
become your friend, but the master can say that. Our business is to become servants of
Krishna. And then if Krishna wants then He can make us His friend or father or mother
or lover. That is up to Krishna. But yes, as you asked, it begins with servitorship. First
we are servant and then Krishna may give us any relationship it is up to Him. Okey.
Thank you.
Akhilar prabhu, do you have anything to say? [Answer unclear]
Hare Krishna
Gaura premanande. Hari Haribo

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